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Yuriy Timen

Episode #296

Growth Advisor (Former Head of Growth at Grammarly)

Independent Advisor (Ex-Grammarly)

🎯Product Strategy📈Growth & Metrics

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Yuriy Timen (00:00:00): The only thing that's worse than a channel or a tactic that you tried not working. The only thing that's worse now is when you didn't give it the appropriate shot, right? And you prematurely were erroneously concluded that it doesn't work and it's remarkable how often you find that to be the case when I talk to companies, "Oh, YouTube, we tried it. It doesn't work." I'm like, "Okay, can I see what you've tried?" And then you look at it and you're like, "Oh, this thing was not designed to even have a shot at working from the get go." Lenny (00:00:40): Yuriy Timen is a full-time advisor to companies looking to figure out their growth strategy. He's worked with companies like Canva, Airtable, Otter, Whimsical, Hims, Flow Health, and a dozen others. I know a number of founders who have worked with Yuriy and they all tell me that he transformed how they think about their growth. Before becoming an advisor, he spent nine years at Grammarly where he led growth in marketing and helped turn that into the household name that it is today. Lenny (00:01:07): In our chat, we get incredibly tactical about all of the ways that you can grow your product, including when and how to invest in virality, SEO, and paid growth. What's changing across each of those channels and the most common failure modes for B2C startups. This is the most tactical and actionable conversation I have had yet on how to grow your product, particularly a subscription product. And I'm really excited for you to hear it. With that I bring you Yuriy Timen. Lenny (00:01:36): Hey, Ashley, head of marketing and Flat File. How many B2B SAS companies would you estimate B to import CSV files from their customers? Ashley (00:01:44): At least 40%? Lenny (00:01:46): And how many of them screw that up and what happens when they do? Ashley (00:01:49): Well, based on our data, about a third of people will consider switching to another company after just one bad experience during onboarding. So i...

💡 Key Takeaways

  • 1Identify your primary growth engine based on product DNA: High LTV supports Paid, Network Effects support Virality, unique data/content supports SEO.
  • 2Do not diversify channels too early; apply the 80/20 rule and exhaust your main channel before spreading resources thin.
  • 3For SEO to work, you need at least 2 of 3 angles: Unique Editorial, Programmatic (templates), or Unique Data.
  • 4In the current economic climate, efficiency and payback periods (<6 months) matter more than top-line growth.
  • 5Click-based attribution is dead; modern growth teams must use Media Mix Modeling (MMM) and Incrementality Testing.
  • 6Onboarding optimization is consistently the highest leverage activity for improving activation and retention.
  • 7Don't dismiss TikTok; it is becoming effective for older demographics and B2B/Prosumer brands.

📚Methodologies (3)

🎯 Product Strategy

Instead of trying every channel, align your growth engine with your product's inherent strengths. Analyze LTV, network effects, and data assets to pick the winning lane.

Core Principles

  • 1.High LTV / Prosumer Model: If you have strong unit economics (e.g., $100+ LTV) and conversion rates (>5%), lean into Paid Acquisition.
  • 2.Inherent Network Effects: If the product becomes more useful as more people join (marketplace/collaboration), lean into Viral/Referral Loops.
  • 3.Long-tail Content Assets: If you have programmatic potential (templates) or unique proprietary data, lean into SEO.

"Oh, this thing was not designed to even have a shot at working from the get go."

#subscription#growth#triad
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📈 Growth & Metrics

SEO is not magic; it requires specific structural advantages. This framework acts as a checklist to see if your product has the 'right to win' in search results.

Core Principles

  • 1.Unique Editorial Angle: Do you have a distinct voice or expertise that differs from existing 'how-to' content?
  • 2.Programmatic Scalability: Can you generate thousands of pages dynamically (e.g., templates, directories) like Canva or Zillow?
  • 3.Unique Data Insight: Do you possess proprietary data that can be turned into content (e.g., financial trends, usage stats)?
  • +1 more...

"Best content wins... but where the winners are determined are between the lines."

#viability#audit#growth
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📈 Growth & Metrics

Moving from deterministic tracking (cookies/clicks) to probabilistic modeling and causality testing to measure marketing effectiveness.

Core Principles

  • 1.Reject Last-Click Reliance: Acknowledge that click-based attribution is correlative, not causal, and misses offline/view-through impact.
  • 2.Media Mix Modeling (MMM): Use statistical analysis to allocate budget across offline and online channels based on historical patterns.
  • 3.Incrementality Testing: Run randomized control trials (turn off ads in specific geos) to prove if ad spend actually caused the lift.

"The only way to determine causality is through real controlled experiments... incrementality testing."

#modern#attribution#incrementality
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