Lenny Rachitsky (00:00:00): There's been a lot of talk these days about AI not delivering on the promise that we hear, especially at enterprises. Jason Droege (00:00:06): These things take 6 to 12 months to get them truly robust enough where an important process can be automated. Like with any of these major tech revolutions, headlines tell one story and then on the ground, laying broadband means you need to dig up every single road in America to lay it. Someone's got to dig up the road or someone's got to run the undersea cable. Lenny Rachitsky (00:00:26): Is there anything you think people don't truly grasp or understand about where AI models are going to be in the next two, three years? Jason Droege (00:00:31): The general trend right now is going from models knowing things to models doing things. The next question becomes, what can it do for me? How does the agent make decisions for you? Lenny Rachitsky (00:00:39): Let's talk about Scale and this whole world of AI that you're in, you essentially pioneered data labeling, trading data, creating evals for labs. Jason Droege (00:00:46): 18 months ago, you would get a short story and it would say, "Is this short story better than this short story?" And now you're at a point where one task is building an entire website by one of the world's best web developers, or it is explaining some very nuanced topic on cancer to a model. These tasks now take hours of time and they require PhDs and professionals. Lenny Rachitsky (00:01:07): I've talked to a bunch of people that have worked with you over the years, and I heard a lot about just how high of a bar you set for new businesses. Jason Droege (00:01:13): From an entrepreneurship standpoint, it truly is about what insight do I have? Why am I so lucky to have this insight? Why in a world of a million entrepreneurs who are thinking, who are smart, who are trying everything, why am I in the position where I likely have an insight that others do not? Lenny Rachitsky (00...